The recent activity (see prior post) reminds me that there is an updated phylogenetic tree showing how the Lineage 1 (Haplogroup I1) RUNCIMAN families connect via analysis of the Y-DNA67 marker STR results.
Check out the Lineage 1 Analysis page.
Sorry you'll have to page down to interpret the R-nn numbers to their appropriate RUNCIMAN lines I've not made time to provide hotlinks on the diagram.
Tuesday, November 18, 2014
Updated twig
The descendant charts associated with Alexander & Janet (HENDRIE) RUNCIMAN of Meikle Pinkerton, and therefore also that of Thomas and Jane/Jean (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN have been updated to include a newly confirmed twig down from the latter's son Thomas who married Mary REDPATH.
Descendant John has joined us in the Facebook RUNCIMAN group.
Descendant John has joined us in the Facebook RUNCIMAN group.
Wednesday, September 17, 2014
Thomas (m. Jane SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN update
The overall dna grid on the Supplementary DNA pages has been updated to show the full (Y-DNA67) results for the descendant of George & Janet (DARLING) RUNCIMAN.
Looks like we may finally have broken the jinx of the mismatches between the assumed and papertrail descendants of Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN.
The "assumed" parentage status for the link from George to Thomas has been removed on the strength of the results to date.
Jere (R-18)and David (R-19) both match Peter (R-12) with 460 = 11, which is looking to become the defining marker for the family of Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN.
Summary result pages also updated.
Can we complete the picture for Thomas and Jean (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN with representatives from the families of Robert and Agnes (KING) RUNCIMAN and Alexander and Joan (MANDERSON) RUNCIMAN?
And another candidate from the family of William and Janet (PAXTON) RUNCIMAN?
Looks like we may finally have broken the jinx of the mismatches between the assumed and papertrail descendants of Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN.
The "assumed" parentage status for the link from George to Thomas has been removed on the strength of the results to date.
Jere (R-18)and David (R-19) both match Peter (R-12) with 460 = 11, which is looking to become the defining marker for the family of Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN.
Summary result pages also updated.
Can we complete the picture for Thomas and Jean (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN with representatives from the families of Robert and Agnes (KING) RUNCIMAN and Alexander and Joan (MANDERSON) RUNCIMAN?
And another candidate from the family of William and Janet (PAXTON) RUNCIMAN?
Tuesday, August 19, 2014
And now for George
Y-DNA results are beginning to arrive in for the descendant of George & Janet (DARLING) RUNCIMAN who kindly agreed to be a representative for this line.
Early days, but so far we do know that he is a 12/12 match to all bar one of Lineage 1 (11/12 to another of the lines assumed to be down from Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN).
Follow progress at the overall dna result grid.
Intriguingly he is also showing a FamilyFinder match to two of those in the RUNCIMAN project, Kevin (R-8) in Lineage 1b and RJW (R-11) in Lineage 1c.
Way more work needed to figure out whether this match is just coincidence (Identical by State rather than Descent) and whether or not the match is actually on the RUNCIMAN line.
Should any RUNCIMAN descendant wish to add to our data, but feel excluded by the fact that they are not from the direct male line, don't despair, register for the Runciman Surname DNA project and order a FamilyFinder test.
Who knows what connections might be revealed!
Early days, but so far we do know that he is a 12/12 match to all bar one of Lineage 1 (11/12 to another of the lines assumed to be down from Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN).
Follow progress at the overall dna result grid.
Intriguingly he is also showing a FamilyFinder match to two of those in the RUNCIMAN project, Kevin (R-8) in Lineage 1b and RJW (R-11) in Lineage 1c.
Way more work needed to figure out whether this match is just coincidence (Identical by State rather than Descent) and whether or not the match is actually on the RUNCIMAN line.
Should any RUNCIMAN descendant wish to add to our data, but feel excluded by the fact that they are not from the direct male line, don't despair, register for the Runciman Surname DNA project and order a FamilyFinder test.
Who knows what connections might be revealed!
Friday, June 27, 2014
Slowly but surely
All good things take time.
The Runciman Surname DNA project result set has grown by one.
The conundrum of which families belong to Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN has had some light shone on it with our latest set of results.
We have another Lineage 1 match, which looks to confirm that Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN definitely do belong, despite past results.
For now, only the Summary WFN result page has been updated but the other pages will follow.
The Runciman Surname DNA project result set has grown by one.
The conundrum of which families belong to Thomas and Jane (SIMPSON) RUNCIMAN has had some light shone on it with our latest set of results.
We have another Lineage 1 match, which looks to confirm that Thomas and Mary (REDPATH) RUNCIMAN definitely do belong, despite past results.
For now, only the Summary WFN result page has been updated but the other pages will follow.
Wednesday, April 30, 2014
Notable or Notorious?
Another candidate has been added to the Notables collection, which also covers the Notorious - which latter category the latest addition belongs to.
Check out the very brief summary of the career of William Woodman RUNCIMAN aka Sir Grenville Louis John TEMPLE.
We'll also add RIMERMAN to the inventive indexing collection.
Sunday, April 27, 2014
Inventive indexing ctd
A couple of census entries for a RUNCIEMAN family were rather elusive on both ancestry and findmypast.
1841 indexed as RUNCAROW on findmypast and NUNCOMAN on ancestry
1851 indexed as REMCIEMAN on both sites.
Corrections lodged.
1841 indexed as RUNCAROW on findmypast and NUNCOMAN on ancestry
1851 indexed as REMCIEMAN on both sites.
Corrections lodged.
Thursday, March 20, 2014
Don't be fooled
The latest lineage changes listed are mostly because of cosmetic changes rather than any exciting new finds.
Some descendant charts will however have more twigs.
Some descendant charts will however have more twigs.
Tuesday, February 11, 2014
John Broome RUNCIMAN ++
The Lineages section of the Runciman One Name Study has been fully refreshed.
Although the latest changes index doesn't show many updates, the published trees will have new twigs which should now be included in the site search.
The main visible change is the research around the family of John Broome RUNCIMAN, son of George, the army family without a home in the known lineages.
As posted in the Runciman group on Facebook, Alan found George's marriage cert. online which enabled him to join him to the Duddingston family of "Convict John".
Further research on George and family brought in three siblings for John Broome RUNCIMAN.
There are HENDERSON descendants of his sister Frances in both Canada and Australia.
Still looking to see what happened to his brother Norman though
Norman RUNCIMAN born 1876 in Malta, engine fitter, last sighted heading for New York in 1923, US address friend: James HUTTON; the Bronx; relative back in Scotland: wife Mrs Elizabeth RUNCIMAN of 31 Earl St, Scotstoun.
Any sightings anyone?
The family proved an interesting research exercise illustrating the perils of relying solely on eg Ancestry census indexes - see this blog post for further details.
Although the latest changes index doesn't show many updates, the published trees will have new twigs which should now be included in the site search.
The main visible change is the research around the family of John Broome RUNCIMAN, son of George, the army family without a home in the known lineages.
As posted in the Runciman group on Facebook, Alan found George's marriage cert. online which enabled him to join him to the Duddingston family of "Convict John".
Further research on George and family brought in three siblings for John Broome RUNCIMAN.
There are HENDERSON descendants of his sister Frances in both Canada and Australia.
Still looking to see what happened to his brother Norman though
Norman RUNCIMAN born 1876 in Malta, engine fitter, last sighted heading for New York in 1923, US address friend: James HUTTON; the Bronx; relative back in Scotland: wife Mrs Elizabeth RUNCIMAN of 31 Earl St, Scotstoun.
Any sightings anyone?
The family proved an interesting research exercise illustrating the perils of relying solely on eg Ancestry census indexes - see this blog post for further details.
Monday, January 20, 2014
The year 1605?
PS the dry as dust technical post announcing the updated analysis page can be translated to:
Statistical analysis of our Y-DNA results for the Haplogroup I1 matching lineages: David of Wanton Walls, William of Crail, Alexander of Meikle Pinkerton, and Thomas & Alison (GREIVE) RUNCIMAN show that it is likely that the common ancestor of all 4 matching lineages was born around 1605.
Given we have William of Crail's ancestry tentatively back to around 1675, that's roughly 3 or 4 generations - which paper trail we are unlikely to find unfortunately.
However, leaving Alexander of Meikle Pinkerton out of the mix, the shared ancestor between the other three lineages is nearer 1695.
Statistical analysis of our Y-DNA results for the Haplogroup I1 matching lineages: David of Wanton Walls, William of Crail, Alexander of Meikle Pinkerton, and Thomas & Alison (GREIVE) RUNCIMAN show that it is likely that the common ancestor of all 4 matching lineages was born around 1605.
Given we have William of Crail's ancestry tentatively back to around 1675, that's roughly 3 or 4 generations - which paper trail we are unlikely to find unfortunately.
However, leaving Alexander of Meikle Pinkerton out of the mix, the shared ancestor between the other three lineages is nearer 1695.
Haplogroup I1 analysis
The supplementary DNA page for the analysis of the I1 haplogroup Runcimans has been updated to include a phylogenetic tree, and an update to where we're currently at with SNP testing, ie the march towards the present down the haplogroup descendant tree of mankind.
The next step is being organized, watch this space.
The next step is being organized, watch this space.
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